Dubbing vs Subbing

I was at Sakuracon for a few hours this weekend, and a few overheard conversations reminded me of a longstanding debate within the anime community about subtitled or dubbed shows. Essentially, the debate boils down to whether it’s better to watch a show in the original Japanese, with subtitles, or with English voiceovers.

I came into anime at some weird times. The first was when I was young, too young to really appreciate terribly much nuance in my entertainment, so truly horrendous voice acting was lost on me. I then stayed out of anime for nearly a decade, coming back to either obviously dated shows or newer shows with higher budgets and quality English voice acting.

As a result, the debate is somewhat lost on me. Terrible voiceovers are going to grate on me whether they’re in Japanese or English, and subtitling is going to annoy me. I feel like, in a lot of higher-budget anime, the voice acting and translation have long since gotten good enough that subtle nuances of tone and wit are able to be expressed.

I’d much rather watch a show with good voice acting in a language I can understand (because I don’t speak Japanese) than try to imagine the spoken tone matching up with the text I’m reading. In a show I’ve been watching recently, a major plot point centered around a character’s continual use of a particular phrase, one that I didn’t pick up on at all over the entire preceding 15-20 episodes of the show because the linguistic nuance in Japanese was utterly lost on me.

Yakitate Japan — it’s an anime about baking bread done in the style of a tournament fighting show. Yes, I’m serious. It’s amazing.

In the meantime, I’ve also watched some of the Persona 4 anime, with English dubbing, and I’ve found the voice actors do a fantastic job both nailing the characters and hitting clever nuance and jokes where they’d otherwise fall flat. A few characters pull off some deadpan humor that I think works really well if you speak the language but would be really hard to pick up on otherwise.

The whole subbed vs dubbed debate seems like a relic of a largely bygone era to me. Perhaps I’m wrong, and that poor dubbing is still rampant, but most of the anime I’ve seen that’s from the last five years or so has really excellent English voiceovers. Maybe it’s because I only watch high-production-value anime, I don’t know.

I feel like there’s a healthy contingent of anime fans who got into it when dubbing was really bad, because it was most low-budget imports, and that as dubbing has improved there’s been a shift from subtitles being the only way to get a coherent story and overall experience to a general belief that subtitles are the only “authentic” way to view anime.

I do know a number of people, mostly those with some background in Japanese (whether they speak it or not), who prefer the subtitles for various reasons, which I think is fine. It does bother me somewhat to see anime fans at conventions criticizing one another for their choice in viewing options, though. I’m not sure when being a nerd became so divisive. Maybe it was always this way.

Either way, there’s some good anime out there, that’s probably worth your time. It’s an incredibly diverse medium, I keep finding, with both creative plays on existing concepts and new, really bizarre ideas. The nice part about animation as a medium is that it allows you to do really high-concept stuff without breaking the bank, budget-wise, for things like special effects and scenery. There’s a lot of really neat genre fiction and explorations of topics I would never have thought would make a good show. Apparently one of the big shows lately has something to do with soccer players? It’s fascinating.



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Dubbing vs Subbing

AggroChat 51 – Awesome Outfits

Tonight we have a bit of an unusual show considering that for the majority of the week we thought this was going to be the Bel and Ash show.  Kodra is prepping for his move to Seattle and as such flew out this weekend to look at housing options.  Tam is playing host which took them both out of the equation.  Rae on the other hand is travelling and visiting friends over the extended weekend.  Thankfully our long time friend and AggroChat.com poster Thalen was willing to step in and offer his services.  Tonight we talk about a whole slew of topics ranging from epic dungeons and dragons sessions, to the lengths we have gone to in order to get just the right outfit in a game we are playing.

Some of the games we touched upon:  World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy XIV, Axiom Verge, Darkest Dungeon, Shin Megami Tensei IV as well as covering some of our favorite April Fools Day jokes from the past week.  Hopefully the show is as enjoyable to listen to as it was to record.

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AggroChat 51 – Awesome Outfits

Last night was a bit of an odd showing because for various reasons and the majority of the week it looked like it would be the Ashgar and Belghast show.  However some timing worked out well and we managed to talk our good friend Thalen into joining the fun.  Thalen is one of those people that I have known in some context for over a decade.  While he didn’t raid with us in LNR, he had connections to our raid through mutual friends and we spent a lot of time conversing with his raid Last Horse that Warenwolf also came from.  Post Vanilla he has been a pretty permanent fixture of any guild I have been part of, and for the late BC early Wrath era we together with a few others representing the founders of the Duranub Raiding Company.  Needless to say Thalen is one of those people that has always been in my life in one form or another for a very long time.

We had this strange meandering show last night where in truth none of us had really been playing much of anything super exciting.  We dove into a few odd topics like World of Warcraft making some bad calls with Warlords of Draenor, and how important it is for us to look awesome when we are playing games.  We talk about some of the lengths we have gone to in order to track down cosmetic gear.  As far as games discussed we talk Dungeons and Dragons, Mega Man ZX,. Shin Megami Tensei IV, Persona 4 Golden, Axiom Verge, and a little Darkest Dungeon.  We like always talk a lot about Final Fantasy XIV and what we have been up to there.  Thalen has now leapt ahead of me in the classes to 50 race… with six to my five.  However he did make a smarter call then I did with leveling Arcanist which essentially gets you both Scholar and Summoner.  I think if I can ever get my Arcanist to 30 I will be set, since I can queue as a healer from that point on.

Rotund Buddy

ffxiv 2015-04-04 10-22-21-38 Yesterday I decided spend a bit more of my winnings from the Golden Saucer.  The first 8000 mgp I earned went towards buying the ponytail upgrade for the Aesthetician.  After that I was not quite certain what I should pick up.  I have been going back and forth on buying the blood sword for some time, simply because it is freaking awesome looking.  The problem is I am not sure if I have a decent looking shield to go with it…  and I really don’t spend that much time tanking on my Paladin other than very low level content.  It seemed like it might end up being a waste of 10,000 mgp.  Instead I decided to go with something that would make me happy all the time.  I ended up grabbing the “Heavy Hatchling” minion, which is adorably waddle-y fat.  It sits there barely staying upright and every so often almost looses its balance as it sniffs around looking for food.

The best part about the pet is that it doesn’t run around like a normal minion.  Instead it hops around on its butt.  I seriously was easily amused for a good ten minutes after getting it running circles in the Gold Saucer.  Most people I know have been working on saving the cash to get the Setzer jacket, which is cool…  but I was never much of a fan of Setzer in Final Fantasy VI to be honest.  He was a means to an end for me… he had the worlds only Airship… and I needed an Airship.  He never actually got any play other than those few times when you absolutely had to use every single character you had gotten.  The jacket is just too flamboyant for my tastes…  I think I prefer a dyed version of Snow’s jacket better for most cosmetic outfits.  Anyways I guess the next 10,000 mgp I end up with I will finally go ahead and pick up that blood sword.

Coil Revisited

ffxiv 2015-04-04 19-34-54-56 Last night we decided to take a bunch of the new 50s into the Binding Coil of Bahamut to do turns one through four.  It many ways it felt like coming home, because it had been so long since we last did any of the content.  I managed to pick up another piece of the High Allagan plate armor, which was pretty awesome.  We had a bit of a stumbling block on coil turn 2, in part because we collapsed to early on the first attempt.  On attempt two we pushed through without much issue.  I was pleasantly surprised that we oneshot turn four, since I remember us having some issue with it.  Since we were doing so well we opted to go ahead and push into Turn 5, so that the new recruits could see the difference.  Unless you have experienced it… you cannot fully appreciate how much the content drops the bottom out on you when you get into turn 5.  I got all sorts of warm fuzzies though walking in because our experience of learning turn 5 was so enjoyable for me.

All in all the group did admirably, and we managed to make it to the dive bomb phase several times.  Admittedly we had myself, Ashgar and Cylladora that had been there numerous times…  but they picked up and learned the fight extremely quickly all things considered.  At the very least they made progress in a single night that took us several weeks.  I hope we can go back there with the same group and get them all through turn 5.  I have a feeling this is going to be a somewhat regular occurrence since you need turn 5 to unlock the second coil of Bahamut.  In other news… I am really hoping that we make some serious progress on the fourth phase of Turn 9 this Monday.  I am so ready to defeat that encounter so we can move forward into the Final Coil of Bahamut.  At this point we have a few months before Heavensward, and it is probably hoping for too much… but I would really love to defeat the Final Coil before the expansion lands.



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Darkest Dungeon

Twitch and Hitbox

Yesterday was a bit of a strange day in that I recorded two different podcasts that were not AggroChat on the same day.  Early in the day I recorded another episode of Bel Folks Stuff, that was completely on the spur of the moment since I was off for Good Friday.  Right now I am tenantively planning on releasing this on Wednesday.  Then in the evening I guested on an episode of the Multiplaying podcast.  While talking on that podcast or actually I think during the “after party” we were talking about Twitch and Hitbox.  During yesterday morning I did my first real test of using JoiCaster to stream to both Hitbox and Twitch at the same time.  Other than some technical difficulties it largely worked and I was able to produce a video of myself playing Darkest Dungeon.

The problem is that I had like five times the number of people watching the twitch stream as I did the hitbox stream at the same time.  So much so that I stopped watching the chat on Hitbox and wound up missing a few comments.  Last night I realized something, that my love of Hitbox is somewhat clouding my judgment.  Me trying to make that happen is kind of like trying to make MySpace happen because you happened to like this or that feature better than Facebook.  At this point Twitch is ubiquitous, everyone has an account and it is widely supported by lots of third party sites.  There are several things about Hitbox that just feel better, but there just aren’t the number of people there that there are on Twitch.  In theory I think I am going to abandon this whole multi-streaming thing and just stick with Twitch from this point on.  It pains me to say it, but Hitbox as cool as it might be… is just too late to the party.

Darkest Dungeon

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As we announced last week during the AggroChat episode, this month I chose Darkest Dungeon as my round robin pick for the game club.  This is one of those games that I have seen circulating in among my friends but I largely avoided it, so that I could go into it fresh as a game club pick.  Yesterday I played it for the first time, in the block above you can see the result of my stream.  I have to say even though the game is pretty unforgiving… I am really enjoying the hell out of it.  At its core it is a rogue like RPG dungeon crawler, with a really awesome woodcut art style… and an interesting sanity mechanic.  So in part it feels a bit like playing Call of Cthulhu.  Everything seems to have a chance of effecting your sanity, and when your characters get too stressed a saving throw is triggered.  If they succeed this internal roll they gain a positive trait, and if they fail it… they gain a negative trait.

darkest 2015-04-04 09-20-40-67 The cool thing is… these are not just passive debuffs but they actively change the way the character starts interacting.  For example in the above play session my Vestal gained the “greedy” negative trait… which oddly enough made her far more blood thirsty in combat.  There were a number of times where she just attacked without my say.  This morning when playing the game a bit one of my highwaymen got the fearful trait causing him to periodically retreat to the back of the pack, changing what abilities you could actually use to attack with.  The only real negative so far is that “the only way out is through” meaning once you start a mission it seems like the only way to leave the mission is to either finish it successfully… or kill off your party.  The positive there is that party members are roughly as disposable as they are in Rogue Legacy.  There are always fresh recruits available through the wagon in camp.  At this point I have lost one entire party… and a few single characters here and there and it feels like I am still making forward momentum.  I feel like this game is going to generate some interesting conversation at the end of the month.

Alligator Pears

ffxiv 2015-04-04 10-05-39-77 Yesterday was a very strange day for me, largely because I was trying not to get too terribly involved in anything.  With the two podcasts, and not really knowing the scheduling of the second one I stayed out of the mix for most things.  This means that the vast majority of my time online was spent working on Botany.  At this point I have managed to take it to level 35 which is the beginning of the more grindy levels.  Thankfully I have for the most part a full allotment of leve quests to get me through them.   Working on harvesting has become my “during podcasts” activity, because it is slow paced and proding and does not require much attention.  So while recording both Bel Folks Stuff and Multiplaying I slowly worked my way through harvesting a ton of stuff…  namely Alligator pears.  I am not sure exactly what they are… but I certainly did manage to gather a dozen stacks of them.  In truth I kind of expect they would look a bit like an avocado in real life.

Now I need to figure out what item I need for my level 40 Botany quest and start collecting that.  So far that has been how I have leveled, I focus fire whatever item I need for the next quest and then when I collect enough of those I start doing Levequests.  Botany seems so much more peaceful than mining was, and I guess it is in part because it almost exclusively takes place in the games extremely beautiful forest areas.  There is just something relaxing about walking around, listening to the music and chopping down trees.  Today however I really need to spend some time working on getting actual content in that can earn me poetics.  I did take a break from the harvesting for awhile yesterday to run some new folks through Tam-Tara Deepcroft.  Tanking low level content is always enjoyable, and it gives me a chance to break out my sword and board and paladin it up.  The constant trickle of new players still manages to floor me, but everyone seems happy and well adjusted which makes me happy in turn.

#FFXIV #DarkestDungeon #Twitch



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