AggroChat #501 – Endless Atlas

Featuring: Ammosart, Ashgar, Belghast, Grace, Kodra, Tamrielo, and Thalen
Hey Folks! This is ACTUALLY episode 501 and we have the entire crew.  We start off talking about the Settle folks surviving what was effectively a category one hurricane and living without power for around 48 hours.  From there Bel talks about finishing Dragon Age Veilguard and how the game has learned lessons from the Mass Effect 3 ending. Grace talks about their experiences with Enshrouded and starting the game from scratch.  Thalen talks a bit about I am the Future and Ash shares his revisiting of N++ playing it co-op with friends.  Lastly, we dive into the Path of Exile II Reveal Stream and all of the announcements surrounding the upcoming release of POE2 Early Access.

Topics Discussed:

  • Surviving Seattle’s Collapse
  • Dragon Age Veilguard Stuck the Landing
  • Enshrouded Updates
  • I Am Future
  • N++ Co-Op
  • Path of Exile II Full Reveal Stream
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Path of Exile 2 Early Access Hype

Good Morning Folks! Yesterday was an event from Grinding Gear Games that gave us the complete picture of what the Path of Exile 2 Early Access would look like. Essentially in two weeks, we are going to be able to play the game in a relatively finished state with a fully fleshed-out endgame. As far as ARPGs go… the king up to this point has been Blizzard with the Diablo series. GGG is gunning for that crown however and released a new opening cinematic for Path of Exile 2 that rivals some of the best. What is more, as an avid player of Path of Exile and its lore… I think I more or less know what a good deal of the elements that were introduced in the cinematic were. In fact, I have seen confirmation on at least one point… what the thing in the sphere was. I am not going to go into details on this however because I am hoping the story of the game will answer these questions for any players who are not lore fanatics.
More than that, the footage that we saw yesterday gives me hope that this is not an attempt at a soulslike. The previous footage was VERY slow and plodding… with what seemed to be unoptimized builds. Path of Exile is a game about player power and blasting through content… and this did not feel like that experience. However yesterday they released an updated gameplay trailer with what appears to be some optimized characters and while not nearly as fast as POE1… it felt like player power would not really be a problem. More than anything I was super interested in playing a largely shield-focused character that they showed off via the Warrior. The combat still feels chunky, but fluid, and I think it is going to be fun exploring the maps and finding all the hidden things. There are apparently hidden bosses scattered throughout the content that will unlock permanent upgrades for your character.
The presentation was roughly an hour and a half long and contained ZERO fluff. There are way too many things to talk about in a single post, so I am not even going to try. I highly suggest if you are interested either as an existing Path of Exile player or someone who has a middling interest in ARPGs and was going to give Path of Exile a shot with the second game… to spend the time and watch through the footage. Essentially POE2 is going to be a wildly different sort of game than Path of Exile has been up to this point, and probably that is for the best. There are a lot of mechanics that are going to be returning in one form or another, and even more that seem to be remixed combining multiple leagues worth of content from the first game into a single mechanic in the second.
Probably the single biggest change is how the Atlas of Worlds is going to work in POE2. If you’ve read this blog for a long while as I talk about my adventures in the game, you are probably familiar at least with the concept of Delve. Essentially it is an endless mine that scales both horizontally and vertically allowing you to effectively keep going forever… or at least to the maximum value of an int32. They are taking this endless concept and applying it to the Atlas of Worlds so that instead of collecting specific maps… you can just keep expanding out effectively forever and finding new content to run. Scattered throughout the map will be special nodes for bosses or other events as well as brand-new hideouts for you to find and conquer. This is going to radically change what the endgame is going to look like for players, and what “juicing” strategies are available. Essentially it seems like this is going to favor folks like me who are in team “Alch and Go” as opposed to folks who bought hundreds of copies of the same map and same scarabs and ran the same optimized strategy over and over.
I am pretty sure that my first character is going to be a Warrior and that I am going to go down the path of the Titan ascendancy. They introduced that there is a keystone called Giants Blood that is going to allow you to wield two-handed weapons in a single hand… so you can do the whole Titan Grip thing from World of Warcraft. My favorite version of this has always been the Two-Hander and Shield thing that you could do on the Crusader in Diablo III, and I will be attempting to recreate that feel with my Warrior. I already love Shield Charge and there was this attack that they kept doing during the footage called Stampede that looked amazing. If possible I am going to use something like Volcanic Fissure to mix in fire damage since I also have a deep affinity towards setting things on fire.
Other than the Warrior, I thought the Witch seemed really cool. I like that minions are going to be something that you do in addition to making actual attacks. The Blood Mage seemed really cool because I already love stacking as much health and regen as possible, and that ascendancy seemed like it would reward that significantly. It is going to be a bit weird that minions require spirit aka mana reservation in order to keep up and running, but it seems like Sceptres have been turned into the Minion weapon and will now provide a lot of spirit just for using them. The challenge is going to be balancing permanent minions taking up spirit reservation and defensive auras doing the same. My hope is all the health stacking of Blood Mage is going to offset the lack of defenses from auras.
The labyrinth appears to be gone, at least they did not show it in relation to unlocking ascendancies. Instead, you will have a choice between running the spiritual successor to Sanctum, or the spiritual successor to Ultimatum. For me, that choice is a no-brainer… I don’t particularly enjoy either mechanic but I would far rather deal with the Trial Master than never get hit. Every build that I create is designed to be tanky as hell, and able to soak damage… which is counter-intuitive to how Sanctum has worked where if you get hit… you lose a permanent stat that you cannot easily get back and when that stat goes to zero you fail. Ultimatum on the other hand is about being stupidly tanky and being able to deal with lots of incoming damage and souped-up monsters. Unfortunately, I think this will also mean that I might need to ascend later if I want to skip the “pseudo-sanctum”. I will give it a shot, but it is not my kind of gameplay.
All in all though… I am way more hyped about Path of Exile 2 than I have been at any other point. I had a lot of trepidation that they were going to take this too far toward the souls-like gameplay. It seems like that will not be the case. It seems like you can still revel in power fantasy and create super murder-y characters. I’m also really interested now to see where the story goes. Twenty years have passed since the previous game and I am wondering if our “exile” will play a role at all in the new story. I honestly wonder if the Ghost from the trailer is us since we unwittingly became the guardians of our world. The Elder, Shaper, and Sirius were all normal folks who transcended to godhood through external influences and I wonder if that is ultimately what happened to us as well after meddling in things we should not have meddled in. If you are someone who has not played a lot of Path of Exile or someone who has not paid attention to the lore, then I highly suggest you check out KittenCatNoodle who have created a ton of lore deep dive videos. The post Path of Exile 2 Early Access Hype appeared first on Tales of the Aggronaut.

Delays are Good

Path of Exile II Three Week Delay Announcement
The community had noticed that recently GGG was curiously radio silent regarding the upcoming early access launch for Path of Exile 2 and the plans for the 3.26 Path of Exile 1 league. Yesterday we found out why when this video dropped informing us that there would be a three-week delay in the start of early access from November 15th to December 6th. There has been a spectrum of reactions from content creators, but I think for the most part the majority have been relatively positive. Sure there is a certain amount of disappointment and a modicum of frustration around changed plans, but clearly it seems like they understand the scope of what is about to be released into the world and how popular it is likely to be. I personally suffer from an abundance of things vying for my time, so I will not lament having a few more weeks before I am pulled in by the sirens song of Path of Exile II.
New World
What I want to talk about this morning however is how game delays are generally always a positive thing. Last week I groused about how I struggle to find unbridled joy in gaming anymore, and I’ve come to the realization that in large part this is due to the fact that games keep releasing in an unfinished state. There are so many games that I have played where given an additional year of reworking the game, are actually in a pretty great state. I have my issues with the recent rebranding of New World but had that game been delayed six months to a year… I think it would be a far more successful game than it is currently. The game that I played when they launched Fresh Start servers, was a completely different experience than the buggy mess of a game that I played on launch. It almost hit a million concurrent players at launch and has never managed to attract more than a small fraction of that number after that point. You only get a single chance to make your first impression with players, and it becomes a massive uphill battle to convince them that the game is worth trying again.
Mass Effect Andromeda
Similarly, the poor performance of the game and the weird graphic glitches of Mass Effect Andromeda during press previews and early access effectively turned what was a pretty good offering into a constant meme. Within a week or so of the launch, every major issue with this game was fixed and I had a blast playing through the campaign. However, because of the poor rushed state, it was thrust out the door… it became the laughing stock of the internet and effectively killed the Mass Effect brand. Sure there is some attempt to continue the lineage of the original trilogy, but it will be once more an uphill battle to try and interest players in the franchise again. Had the game been delayed by a few months… we would probably be talking about the sequel or even a third game in the Andromeda series by now.
Diablo IV
More recently we have the tale of Diablo IV, which admittedly is probably a bit different. The core problem with the game was that the developers had a flawed vision of what ARPG players actually wanted in a game like this. “D4 Bad” has become a catchphrase that has been turned into countless AI Slop song parodies… but has legitimately infected at least the Twitch audience. You cannot watch a single YouTube video on the game without someone commenting that. The thing is the game is honestly in a pretty great state right now for core gameplay. I didn’t like the campaign for Vessel of Hatred, but have had a blast playing through the endgame content on the new Spiritborn class. Do I think another year would have helped the game? Potentially… because that is essentially what it has taken to rework all of the bad systems. However, I am not sure it would have made much difference because it was the extremely negative feedback that forced a change in direction.
Baldur’s Gate III
I think there are studios that have managed to balance the need for pushing a game out there and getting some revenue with wanting to make sure the final release of the game is a polished product. The early access incubation period certainly helped Baldur’s Gate III turn into the exceptionally polished product that we all enjoyed, and that broke concurrency records at the time for a single-player experience. I think had something like Diablo IV launched into early access and then later had a 1.0 release once the majority of the system changes were made, it might have been less of a meme. This is essentially the model that Grinding Gear Games is trying to follow with Path of Exile 2, and I am hoping it bears similar fruit. There already seem to be a number of significant shifts in the gameplay from the first game, and I am uncertain how those will shake out. I am hoping an extended early access period will give them time to react to player feedback and solidify the game experience. I know at least mentally I treat an early access game a bit differently than I would a AAA Game launch, and that extra bit of forgiveness gives a game the chance to potentially improve for the better.
Path of Exile II – Returning Uniques
So if Grinding Gear Games has come out and said that they need some more time to make sure the servers are stable, then I am of the mind to give it to them without grumbling. While this is an early access release, there are still going to be a heck of a lot of eyes on the game and expecting something playable. I know the Last Epoch 1.0 release was severely hampered by server problems, which has I think kept them from hitting anywhere near the same concurrent numbers of subsequent releases. Anyways I am good with the delay, and it seems like we have officially entered spoiler season for the upcoming POE2 Early Access. Yesterday they released the above image showing off some uniques that will be returning from POE1 and that have received a bit of a “glow up”. While I cannot think of a single build that would want all of these items, it has been interesting to see just how much better they look in the new client. There is a Reddit thread that compares the graphics of what a character in POE1 looks like wearing all of these versus the above image. For me… I am hoping to be able to wrap up Final Fantasy XVI either tonight or tomorrow night and then likely start on Dragon Age Veilguard after that. I might take a break from all of this to play through the new Alan Wake II DLC on Halloween night in honor of the “spooposicty”. I also still want to return to Wayfinder at some point with Ace, but our schedules have not just lined up recently. Mostly the point of this morning’s post is to say… Delays are generally a good idea if a studio thinks it needs one. I am almost always going to be in support of this. The post Delays are Good appeared first on Tales of the Aggronaut.

Nightingale Initial Thoughts

Good Morning Folks! Since the Last Epoch servers were down last night in preparations for the 1.0 launch today, and Nightingale opened up for early access I decided to give the game a spin. Right now the game is on an introductory price of $26.99 and I figured since I knew I was going to pick it up eventually, I might as well get in at the cheapest price. I feel like I need to set the stage for this discussion. I’ve played a lot of survival games over the years and most recently have been playing a heck of a lot of Enshrouded. This is going to greatly color my opinion of this game. After spending around 5 hours last night playing Nightingale I can state without a doubt that it isn’t an awful game, but so far at this stage in development it isn’t a great one either.
Let’s scroll back a few years and take a look at the original trailer that announced the game during the 2021 Game Awards. I realize this is setting us up for failure because early trailers are more akin to a “mood board” than anything related to what the final product is going to look like. What I got from that trailer is that we would be Cthulhu-style Victorian-era adventurers in cool costumes tromping through the fae multiverse looking for treasure and building settlements. I personally imagined something with a combat system akin to New World, with big chunky good feeling attacks and interesting combatants to fight and a bunch of gorgeous realms to explore. I imagined a building system something akin to Valheim where you recruit people and bring them back to your base to build up to some epic battles as the baddies attack you. I admit I have not followed the development of this game terribly closely, but these trailers and the ones that followed at Summer Game Fest recently set the expectations.
Nightingale has a bunch of really interesting ideas. It has one of the more creative character generators I have seen to date, where not only do you set the looks of your character but you also can define your background and lineage. For example, if you so choose… you can creat the appearance of every person in your direct line for three generations… and then choose to inherit traits in your appearance rather than set them yourself. This is some utter nonsense, but you can tell this is something that one person on the team was super passionate about. My only complaint was with the beard options where I could not have a nice full bushy beard and essentially had to choose between a svelt goatee and a lovely set of muttonchops.
What they nailed was the world. There were several moments where I just had to stop and enjoy the vistas. It has a very Myst like quality to it, as you explore these areas that were once inhabited by the Fae with impossible constructions, floating towers, and such. The world maybe doesn’t feel quite as atmospheric as the trailers would indicate. During tutorial quests you end up crossing through a Forest, a Desert, and a Swamp… the three biomes that exist in the game currently, and all of them very much felt like what you would expect from a procedural generator. While there were some cool set pieces, none of them felt terribly atmospheric. Each of these three tutorial realms had a very limited scope and served to teach you how the tech tree works.
This starts us down the problem I am having with this game. If I compare it against other survival titles… it is ploddingly slow. In this sort of game, I am used to hitting the beach… because it always seems to be a beach… gathering some twigs and rocks and outfitting myself in my first tools and weapons within the first fifteen minutes. Everything feels extremely drawn out as you have to wait for the game to give you permission to craft anything… which doesn’t really take place until you reach the second of the three tutorial realms. This sluggish quality seems to carry forward into all aspects of crafting. It takes forever for you to be able to craft your own clothing because in order to get to that point you have to have crafted three different sorts of machines to assemble some slapdash leather.
When you can assemble your first gear set… it looks like this. We were drawn in from the trailer and visuals of romping around the wilds in spats and petticoats… and instead, you look like every murder hobo in every survival game. I look like I am about to defend my steakwrap by shivving you. I get that this is the starter “tattered” gear, but in order to get started and run through the first major objective you have to upgrade out of what looked like much better gear. Essentially we are a few hours into the game and the anachronistic aesthetic from all of the trailers is already shot. I am sure that eventually, we will probably have access to get that looks like the trailers, but at the rate of progression through the game, it seems like it will be months down the line.
One of the biggest problems that I am having with the crafting system is “bag bloat”. Essentially recipes will request a type of ingredient, for example “t1 Bones” and that can come from any Tier 1 animal that can drop bones. However in your bag… the items are kept in separate stacks as to whether or not they came from a predator or a prey animal, or later when you learn fishing… each TYPE of fish is stored separately. This trickles through to the final produced material so the game can see that I have “16 Meat” on my hotbar, but in my actual bags this is a combination of grilled prey meat, grilled predator meat, and each individual type of fish that I have caught and cooked. The types of ingredients you put into a meal impact the stats of the meal slightly, but so far this has seemed to be negligible, and all I really care about how is healing myself and not dying to the hunger mechanic that slowly kills you. This isn’t so much a problem for your character’s backpack, but it rapidly becomes a problem in trying to store this nonsense in baskets. There really needs to be a way to convert up materials to a generic form that stacks cleanly.
The other problem that I am starting to get into is that every craft seems to require refinement of a bunch of different materials in order to craft it. This mostly just serves to slow down the gameplay as you have to wait on a bunch of machines to craft up enough of the refined resources in order to do the final combine. I’m more used to survival games using something like a tiering system… which the game seems to have… but isn’t utilizing in the manner I am used to. I would expect a Tier 2 machine would require Tier 2 metal and Tier 2 wood… not just refined versions of the T1 materials or the secondary byproducts of refining the items. For example, if you want to make a Candle you need a wick, and if you want to make a wick you need two twines, and if you want to make twine you need “fibers” either through gathering plant fibers or refining meat into animal fibers. It rapidly feels a bit tedious to actually make anything.
The building system feels similarly cumbersome. I would expect to be able to create a wooden shanty quickly by chopping down some trees and using the wood that I gained from said trees. That is not the case and all of the “wooden” block types require you to gather three resources… plant fiber, sticks, and proper wood. Stone however just requires stone… so I have been crafting everything out of that. Stone however is a limited resource and I am slowly running out of stone piles on the island to harvest because Nightingale is not a voxel game with destructable terrain, which means that I can’t just start excavating the side of a mountain to get resources. I have to harvest specific nodes that yield a specific type of material and then deliver it back to the build side and apply it to the designed form. On one hand, it is really cool that you can essentially plan out the entire building in blueprint form, but when you apply resources… it applies them to the entire blueprint at once and then chooses to “finish” seemingly random blocks.
One of the particularly cumbersome elements comes from when you want to remove an item and place it somewhere else. There is no easy way to remove a segment of the wall or pick back up a crafting machine to place it somewhere else. You can toggle on build mode with “X” key… which I had to find by sifting through the keybindings, and in theory, you can deconstruct an item. This will cause a pile of materials to drop to the ground. However, it does not seem to be ALL of the materials that went into crafting the item initially. The other option is just to break an item… at which point you lose ALL resources that went into building it. Sure it is probably more realistic that if you knock down a wall, you can’t just stand it back up again but we are already dealing with magical floating blueprints so I feel like quality of life is a more important trait here.
You can recruit other survivors but they are honestly… kind of idiots. Here is my companion Agnes lighting herself on fire by walking through the cook stove. I legitimately was tabbed out last night typing a message and heard the clear sound of something catching on fire, only to flip over to this scene. I guess the positive is that Agnes appears to be immortal. She has very simple AI and that AI is to harvest every tree she sees… and gives zero fucks about whether or not that tree is going to fall on top of you and deal damage. You can be in the middle of combat and she is going to walk over and immediately start felling a fucking tree while you are skinning the corpse. She is as good at combat as she is at standing in fires.
This takes us to what I feel is the critical flaw in the game for me. Skyrim is a game that we all love and it did some groundbreaking things for open-world gaming… but even for 2010, it had what I would consider to be pretty shitty combat. Combat in Nightingale feels like Skyrim where mobs just sort of blindly rush at you the second they spot you… flailing wildly… and you sort of just have to swing blindly at them until you connect enough times to kill them hoping that your hitpoints outlast their ability to reduce them. There is no real strategy here. I found that I could just jump backwards in order to avoid most attacks and this became my strategy for ranged attacking them down until they died. Attacking with a melee weapon felt awful. Generally speaking, when you enter combat you have three to six things trying to attack you at the same time and your combat is mostly useless.
I completed the first dungeon and took on the first boss… and it was also similarly bad. It just sort of charged at you and you would need to duck out of the way and plink it down as it was ramping up for the next attack. I mostly used the pillars as a way of skirting around the boss because attacking head-on seemed like an awful idea. Its mechanics consisted on a dash attack and a big point-blank AOE, but otherwise, it just seemed to keep locking on my location and I needed to stop being there for a while. A lot of the selling point of this game is to go off on adventures fighting baddies and looking for cool treasure, and honestly… I am not sure I want any more of this combat. If this is representative of what the game has to offer, and based on some reviews I watched this morning before sitting down to write this… it seems like it is.
There is also the problem of loot. If I am going to go delving into dungeons I feel like there should be some reward at the end of my troubles. What Nightingale has for loot is what I could call “Minecraft Loot” aka some random resources. You might find a single ignot… or a wick… or maybe even some leather straps, but nothing resembling anything special and unique to that dungeon. If the reward for doing dungeons is the same bullshit that I can get anywhere else on the island… then why am I doing the dungeons? The answer is that you have to do the dungeons in order to unlock new cards… which then allow you to open new realms… where you can gather more resources and have more crappy combat. For me at least that mechanical loop is flawed because if everything is just more of the same… “we have Skyrim at home”.
The problem that I see with Nightingale, is it is trying to be a bunch of different games and not really succeeding at any of them. It isn’t what I would consider a good crafting for survival game, because everything feels way too tedious, especially at the beginning. It isn’t a good adventure and exploration game, because combat feels awful. It isn’t a good dungeon delving game, because there is zero loot chase. Nightingale is not a bad game by any means… but it isn’t a particularly good one either. It is launching into a crowd that is thick with really good games that are hitting all of these buttons. Enshrouded for example launched similarly in early access but landed with a game that felt pretty damned close to finished. Valheim a few years ago did what Nightingale is trying to do but just better in spite of being woefully unpolished and having its own stack of problems. The major selling point of Nightingale is adventuring in weird period outfits… and that goes out the window the moment you have to craft something for yourself.
I get that Nightingale is an early-access game, and there is a little warning at the launch to make sure you understand that. However generally speaking in spite of the flaws that a game might have in early access, I can often see a core of the game that is good and just needs as lot of polish and bug fixing. With Nightingale, I am just not seeing a fun mechanical game loop that warrants me spending much more time with it. I put five hours in last night and I would have expected in that time for the game to have set the hook. It is a perfectly reasonable game… it just isn’t better than anything else in the survival and exploration genre. When you are launching in the same year as PalWorld and Enshrouded… you sorta have to do something really good in order to stand out from the pack and I am not seeing it. Sure the world is gorgeous… but a gorgeous world only gets you so far. The post Nightingale Initial Thoughts appeared first on Tales of the Aggronaut.