Lately I have been back playing some Final Fantasy XIV and enjoying myself quite a bit. I am not sure if is the cavalcade of “leaving wow to play ffxiv” videos that the YouTube algorithm has deluged me with, or if I am avoiding finishing FF7R because I don’t want the story to be over. Whatever the case I have been back and piddling around several old haunts, spending a lot of time on my tiny paladin… which I guess sounds weird because as a Lalafell everything is tiny. I never really leveled up my Paladin past around 50 and I have been doing so because apparently I really like the ways they have changed that class over the years.
Over the years I have spent copious amounts of time in Palace of the Dead, so much so that I would probably put it up there as one of my favorite activities in the game. At its most simple level it is a roguelike dungeon exploration game mode where you progress through an one hundred floor deep dungeon. It uses its own progression system in the form of Aetherpool Weapons and Armor which gain strength by finding specific chests in the dungeon. Each ten floors you face a boss of sorts and your progression is locked in, allowing you to restart at the last flight of ten floors that you left off. There are also temporary buff items that you pick up along the way that allow you to deal with traps and challenges specific to the dungeon.
There are a few things that I find really interesting about the game mode. Firstly any square you step on in your travels could contain a trap, which makes you cautious to travel uncertain paths or stay too clumped up for fear an explosion will KO the entire party. Additionally any treasure chest could be a Mimic, which applies a very hefty debuff making each chest you open a risk versus reward decision. Clearing a certain amount of monsters unlocks the gate to the next floor, and in general because of the traps and mimics, groups tend to only explore the bare minimum needed to move forward. This is especially true if you are doing floors 51-60 which players tend to run over and over as a quick way to level alts.
I personally love it because it means I can level alternate jobs without having to worry about gearing. You can legitimately step into Palace of the Dead wearing nothing but your job weapon and be just as effective as a player decked out in full savage gear. The other aspect that I have loved is that there are hidden coffers spread throughout the dungeon which can be turned in for a random item. There are a bunch of interesting things on this drop table but the vast majority are cosmetics. For example most of the outfit I am wearing in the above screenshot came from random drops in Palace of the Dead.
All of this is why I was looking forward to Torghast opening in World of Warcraft with the Shadowlands expansion. At least on paper everything I had read about it prior to the launch of the expansion made me think that maybe just maybe they were taking notes from FFXIV and introducing a similar system. In practice however Torghast ended up feeling largely pointless. Palace of the Dead has this join purpose of helping you level your alts and at the same time get some cool cosmetics while doing it. Torghast on the other hand is a forced grind that you feel like you have to complete every week… with your only reward being yet another random currency required to unlock something that feels require… legendary items.
While there are some mechanically interesting things going on with Torghast, it doesn’t feel as balanced and it is also a much bigger time sink than clearing ten floors of Palace of the Dead. There is so much RNG given that you get a choice of three buffs each time you open one of the glowing orbs. Some of these are really good and others are absolutely horrible. Then there is the whole feeling that nothing I gained this week carries forward to help me with next week. If you are unlucky you have a really bad time and if you are lucky your power seems to snowball out of control becoming an immortal god of death.
On the other hand in Palace of the Dead I have over time increased my Aetherpool Arms and Armor rating to +99 and am effectively as strong as I will ever get. That means I can drag alts in there and get a pretty predictable leveling experience, yet still feel like I get the random chance of getting something cool as a drop. I mean even when it isn’t anything I need, I can still share the love and gift those items to someone else. Like yesterday my friend Clockwork Bells happened to be on at the same time as me and I gifted her a pet, a music scroll and a nifty pair of cosmetic boots that I got as a drops. If I don’t have someone to send to, I have often times gone into one of the newbie areas and just dropped goodies on people.
The problem with Torghast I think is the fact that I felt like I was required to do it. If I skipped a week I felt like I was falling behind the curve in the amount of soul ash that I could have obtained. Similarly that end goal of maybe crafting a legendary… that I would have to spend hundreds of thousands of gold to obtain just wasn’t enough carrot to make the stick feel manageable. If Torghast also became a source of gear that you could take out of it and put to use in the rest of the game… maybe just maybe it would feel worthwhile. If they turned it into an alternate leveling path like Palace of the Dead and made it so that gear was completely normalized and you could effectively walk in naked… also like PotD I think that would have been enough to make me get into it.
As it stands, Torghast seemed like someones pet project… crafted by someone who maybe heard a FFXIV player talking about how much fun Palace of the Dead was, without actually understanding any of the things that made it enjoyable. However what is more likely the case is that Torghast was initially designed to be a super challenging replacement for the Mage’s Tower from Legion, that just sort shifted purpose somewhere along the way. The end result is something that isn’t fun enough to do just for the sake of doing it… and not rewarding enough to make making to do it feel like a good use of time. There are so many ways that they could improve upon the design, but at the end of the day we all know that it is going to stop being relevant the moment the next expansion is released. On the other hand I am still playing Palace of the Dead and it is still relevant some two expansions after it was initially put into the game.
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Featuring: Ammo, Ashgar, Belghast, Grace, Kodra, Tamrielo and Thalen
We assure you that we are in fact not a cat… but maybe some of us are cats. Tonight we start the show off with a discussion that probably should have happened last week but completely missed the list. Final Fantasy XIV announced its next expansion and in Endwalker we are going to the Moon. We talk about this. This sorta leads its way into a discussion about Guild Wars 2 and drop in drop out grouping. We also talk a bit about how Google seems to slowly be killing Stadia but shuttering the studio that was supposed to be making first party games. Last we talk about Eli and hitting his first 12 sads out of 10 RPG ending…. which is fitting given Kodra’s propensity for finding those games.
Featuring: Ammo, Ashgar, Belghast, Grace, Kodra, Tamrielo and Thalen
We assure you that we are in fact not a cat… but maybe some of us are cats. Tonight we start the show off with a discussion that probably should have happened last week but completely missed the list. Final Fantasy XIV announced its next expansion and in Endwalker we are going to the Moon. We talk about this. This sorta leads its way into a discussion about Guild Wars 2 and drop in drop out grouping. We also talk a bit about how Google seems to slowly be killing Stadia but shuttering the studio that was supposed to be making first party games. Last we talk about Eli and hitting his first 12 sads out of 10 RPG ending…. which is fitting given Kodra’s propensity for finding those games.
I have been completely out of the loop on all things Final Fantasy XIV for awhile now. I bounced pretty hard after completing the phenomenal Shadowbringers storyline and never quite came back. So it completely snuck up on me when Friday night they were having a big reveal stream about the next expansion. So if you were like me, here is an attempt to catch you up. Granted this is by no means going to be a detailed rundown of the events. If you want to see the entire presentation you can check it out here. If you want a highly detailed rundown then I suggest Nova Crystallis which tends to be where I watch via twitter.
Based on what I have gathered, this expansion is going to represent the end of the Hydaelyn and Zodiark storyline. I don’t want to go into too much detail about that given that you really should play the story content to experience what we know up to this point for yourself. I myself plan on playing catch up soon and working through the story quests to get wrapped up and prepared for the expansion. Essentially there has been a story arc that has been lovingly crafted that starts with A Realm Reborn and will end with this expansion. Yoshi-P made it very clear to point out that this is not the end of Final Fantasy XIV nor is it the end of his involvement with the project.
Where are we going? Apparently the moon! It seems like it is finally time to mine Final Fantasy IV for story tidbits and that means we are visiting the moon and all the weirdness that it entails. They have announced a Lunar Whale mount that you can get as part of the digital fanfest package… which makes me wonder if we will in fact be riding a giant whale to the moon and back like we did in the 16 bit era game. I am super on board with this if it is in fact a thing that happens. Additionally since each expansion has had a chosen class to represent the Warrior of Light/Darkness it seems that for this one we are going with Paladin. So lets run down the sequence of classes so far…
FFXIV 1.0 – Archer and Gladiator depending on the marketing
A Realm Reborn – Warrior
Heavensward – Dragoon
Stormblood – Monk and Samurai at different times
Shadowbringers – Dark Knight
Endwalker – Paladin
Other places we are going apparently includes Thavnair and apparently the city of Radz-at-Han. I am not sure if this is going to be a main destination or something crafting related given that this city shows up so much in crafting lore. The city this artwork shows off seems really freaking cool to explore and it almost gives a whole walled city vibe but suspended in the air. Maybe we will just be able to buy the onions in the market?
We are also apparently visiting Garlemald proper, rather than just through a series of cutscenes not involving our character. I think more than anything this proves that this is in fact the end of this storyline and maybe even this world. Garlemald has been something held over us from day one, and I figured we would finally arrive there and visit in the final expansion. The last expansion gave us a way out of this being the end of the game, but I think it might be the end of this world since we are finally seeing the evil empire for what it is.
As has been the standard when an expansion is released, we get one new class reveal early on. It seems we are getting a new healer this time in the form of the Sage. The thing is… this version of the Sage is nothing like I remember from other games. It looks very Allagan in theme with weird floating swords called Nouliths. It was described as a “Barrier-Type” healer which sounds like the realm that the Scholar already occupies? They seem to be splitting the healers into two categories of Barrier and Pure, which is only going to serve to cause much drama among the healers. I forsee gatekeeping in the future.
Allisae got her “glow-up” during Stormblood when she was announced to be a Red Mage. This time around it is time for Alphinaud to get his turn and instead of forever being an Arcanist, he finally gets a proper job in the form of Sage. I will sorta miss his grossly overpowered Carbunkle action. I do think that the class looks sorta badass and if I ever play a healer I might run one of these up. Other tidbits of note is that there is a level increase but also at the same time a stat squish of sorts to bring the numbers down. It seems like any game that successfully runs a sufficient amount of time has to have one of these.
I’m linking the full sage reveal trailer so you can find that easily if you so choose. As far as the other class they have announced that it is a melee class but we don’t have many solid lead to go on. Some folks are saying Templar which apparently is sort of like the Mystic Knight from FFV. Others are saying that it is going to be Necromancer using a scythe as the weapon. Others still are claiming once again that we are going to get Beastmaster which never seems to work out given how hard that class is going to be to implement properly. I have no ideas at all because most of the classes that I could think of that would be interesting are casters.
The thing that honestly interests me the most is supposedly there is going to be an Island Sanctuary we can go to that is essentially Stardew Valley meets Final Fantasy XIV. Depending on how well this is carried out and how grindy it feels… this might be that thing that keeps me engaged with Final Fantasy XIV for the long run. If we got our own version of Stardew/Animal Crossing in Final Fantasy with adorable Final Fantasy themed encounters… I would probably be completely there for it.
So have you been following the news about Endwalker? What are your thoughts? Drop me a line below.
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