Steam Game Crashes

Steam Game Crashes

When I get to working on something I can be completely oblivious to the world around me.  Last night was one of those times.  I got a message from Tam asking if I needed Xephatol one of the new dungeons in Final Fantasy XIV, to which I replied that I had not touched the content yet.  I was in the middle of digging into an issue that had been bugging me since building this system over the weekend.  Certain games just would not load regardless of how many supposed “fixes” I attempted…  namely the whole compatibility mode and run as administrator nonsense that you seem to need to do with Windows 10.  He hinted that it might be good to test out Final Fantasy XIV…  which is the point where I got super oblivious.  Namely that I said I had tested all of the MMOs and they seem to be working…  but that I was largely having trouble with Fallout 4 and No Man’s Sky.  It did not dawn on me at the time that he was not so subtly hinting that I should come run the dungeon with them…  and it even included an obligatory smiley after his statement.  So finally it dawned on me what he was trying to get at and I ultimately logged in, and got caught up to the dungeon.  It was a good time, and this really is a dungeon of bad ideas.  These silly birbs cannot fly… but want to at all costs.  More importantly than that however was the fact that it unstuck the logjam my content was in, and the post dungeon revelations were quite interesting.  I largely want to finish the story content so that we can talk about it on Saturday during the podcast because it is sounding like we are going to get a really interesting expansion announcement this week as a result.

Steam Game Crashes

As to the more pressing matters…  the issues I had been having were maddening.  The key problem with windows gaming on a new machine… is that you never quite know if what you are experiencing is just strangeness with the game… or if it is the result of some bad combination of drivers.  However as a result I updated almost every sort of driver I could think of to make sure that was not it.  Like I hinted at before…  I tried several versions of compatibility mode, and running as administrator.  I tried launching from steam, nvidia experience, and directly from the executable to see if there were any different behaviors exhibited.  In all cases what would happen in Fallout 4 was that it would show the “Please Stand By” screen… and would hear about 5 seconds of static and sound…  then the spinning blue “not responding” wheel would pop up and Fallout 4 would either crash… or just sit in this zombie state indefinitely leading me to ultimately close it with task manager.  Since the weekend I have spent a good chunk of every evening trying different things and scouring the web looking at people who supposedly had eureka moments.  Each time I would feel hopeful only to have it dashed almost immediately as the next great fix didn’t do anything for my current situation.  So this is the mental quagmire I happened to be in last night when Tam was trying to reach through it… the repetitive pattern of trial and research only leading to miles of defeat.

Steam Game Crashes

After doing the dungeon run… I had a bit of my own eureeka moment.  One of the posts had mentioned that usb devices being connected could be causing crashes like this on startup.  Now when I built the computer I did so seperate from my main gaming rig.  Then Sunday afternoon I unhooked literally everything that was in the back of the previous machine and plugged it into this one.  That means with it came all of the devices I had been using on the previous setup.  While crawling through the config file for Fallout 4 I noticed a setting that I like flipping to disable controllers, because it is one of those games where it is going to try and use a controller if one is hooked to your system.  I flipped that setting and bam the game launched.  Now previously I had the Windows PS4 Remote Play application installed, and I largely used it as a way to extract screenshots easily from my Playstation 4 for the purpose of these blog posts, rather than ferrying them across on a thumb drive.  As a result when I last used my machine I had my Dual Shock 4 controller hooked to the PC.  On a whim I disconnected the DS4 from the usb cable, and then suddenly No Man’s Sky would load as well.  It seems as though something was timing out when these games were trying to identify controllers connected to my system, and then getting really confused with the DS4 that doesn’t have actual drivers that work successfully most of the time.  So it seems as though this has largely cleared up the issues I was having, which makes me pretty happy given that I spent from 5:30 until 7:30 last night trying random combinations of things to get Fallout 4 working… when in reality I didn’t even care about playing the game.  I was stuck in a loop of needing desperately to solve the problem, so that I knew everything was functional.

Steam Game Crashes

Steam Game Crashes

When I get to working on something I can be completely oblivious to the world around me.  Last night was one of those times.  I got a message from Tam asking if I needed Xephatol one of the new dungeons in Final Fantasy XIV, to which I replied that I had not touched the content yet.  I was in the middle of digging into an issue that had been bugging me since building this system over the weekend.  Certain games just would not load regardless of how many supposed “fixes” I attempted…  namely the whole compatibility mode and run as administrator nonsense that you seem to need to do with Windows 10.  He hinted that it might be good to test out Final Fantasy XIV…  which is the point where I got super oblivious.  Namely that I said I had tested all of the MMOs and they seem to be working…  but that I was largely having trouble with Fallout 4 and No Man’s Sky.  It did not dawn on me at the time that he was not so subtly hinting that I should come run the dungeon with them…  and it even included an obligatory smiley after his statement.  So finally it dawned on me what he was trying to get at and I ultimately logged in, and got caught up to the dungeon.  It was a good time, and this really is a dungeon of bad ideas.  These silly birbs cannot fly… but want to at all costs.  More importantly than that however was the fact that it unstuck the logjam my content was in, and the post dungeon revelations were quite interesting.  I largely want to finish the story content so that we can talk about it on Saturday during the podcast because it is sounding like we are going to get a really interesting expansion announcement this week as a result.

Steam Game Crashes

As to the more pressing matters…  the issues I had been having were maddening.  The key problem with windows gaming on a new machine… is that you never quite know if what you are experiencing is just strangeness with the game… or if it is the result of some bad combination of drivers.  However as a result I updated almost every sort of driver I could think of to make sure that was not it.  Like I hinted at before…  I tried several versions of compatibility mode, and running as administrator.  I tried launching from steam, nvidia experience, and directly from the executable to see if there were any different behaviors exhibited.  In all cases what would happen in Fallout 4 was that it would show the “Please Stand By” screen… and would hear about 5 seconds of static and sound…  then the spinning blue “not responding” wheel would pop up and Fallout 4 would either crash… or just sit in this zombie state indefinitely leading me to ultimately close it with task manager.  Since the weekend I have spent a good chunk of every evening trying different things and scouring the web looking at people who supposedly had eureka moments.  Each time I would feel hopeful only to have it dashed almost immediately as the next great fix didn’t do anything for my current situation.  So this is the mental quagmire I happened to be in last night when Tam was trying to reach through it… the repetitive pattern of trial and research only leading to miles of defeat.

Steam Game Crashes

After doing the dungeon run… I had a bit of my own eureeka moment.  One of the posts had mentioned that usb devices being connected could be causing crashes like this on startup.  Now when I built the computer I did so seperate from my main gaming rig.  Then Sunday afternoon I unhooked literally everything that was in the back of the previous machine and plugged it into this one.  That means with it came all of the devices I had been using on the previous setup.  While crawling through the config file for Fallout 4 I noticed a setting that I like flipping to disable controllers, because it is one of those games where it is going to try and use a controller if one is hooked to your system.  I flipped that setting and bam the game launched.  Now previously I had the Windows PS4 Remote Play application installed, and I largely used it as a way to extract screenshots easily from my Playstation 4 for the purpose of these blog posts, rather than ferrying them across on a thumb drive.  As a result when I last used my machine I had my Dual Shock 4 controller hooked to the PC.  On a whim I disconnected the DS4 from the usb cable, and then suddenly No Man’s Sky would load as well.  It seems as though something was timing out when these games were trying to identify controllers connected to my system, and then getting really confused with the DS4 that doesn’t have actual drivers that work successfully most of the time.  So it seems as though this has largely cleared up the issues I was having, which makes me pretty happy given that I spent from 5:30 until 7:30 last night trying random combinations of things to get Fallout 4 working… when in reality I didn’t even care about playing the game.  I was stuck in a loop of needing desperately to solve the problem, so that I knew everything was functional.

Serenity Lives

Serenity Lives

Yesterday was largely spent setting up a new machine, and with it comes the arbitrary logging in of various games to see how they perform on the new setup.  I should have said “new” in quotes because this system was absolutely another one of my craigslist wheeling and dealings.  Some time ago I saw a system that I was interested in, but I was simply not willing to pay what the guy was asking.  I made an offer, one significantly lower than he was wanting… but something in the range of what I would be comfortable with.  He initially sounded insulted but after a handful of texts went into the lengthy story of why he was parting with the machine.  It turns out he had just ordered all of the bits to assemble what he considered to be the ultimate gaming machine…  and then his wife got mad at him for doing it.  Firstly of note to any of my readers…. you should never purchase anything big without consulting your spouse first because you are just asking for trouble.  I told him that my offer was all that I was comfortable spending on that machine, and that the offer would stand.  Now we scan ahead roughly a month and a half, and I still have not purchased anything… and I receive a text out of the blue from the guy.  He apparently got no offers at all and was willing to drop down to my offer to move it quickly…  and by quickly I guess that means two months later?

The problem with me and a new machine is that I only really felt comfortable building it on Sunday after I finished up the podcast and made sure it was published.  That whole adage of the show must go on and such.  So I sat down a few weeks ago to get things built… only to realize that the power supply that he had in the machine was going to be completely inadequate.  I was swapping over the GeForce 980 that I had previously… which requires 2 8 pin power connectors.  The card he had in it was a r9 380 which required a single 8 pin power connector.  I can largely tell that he assembled this machine through PC Part Picker, and went with the bare minimum power supply the it said was compatible.  The end result was that the “ultimate gaming machine” had a Corsair 450 watt power supply in it, that I needed to upgrade into something that had dual 8 pin power connectors.  Being cheap like I am… I decided to just order something from Amazon rather than run out to Best Buy and pick something up that day.  Unfortunately the PSU that I ordered kept getting rescheduled…  over the course of two weeks…  finally updating from what was supposed to be a Friday delivery this week… to this coming Wednesday.  I gave up, cancelled that ordered and found something available in store local, the end result being a 750 watt corsair modular PSU which honestly was going to work better than the non-modular ketchup and mustard colored setup that I was trying to order on the cheap.

Serenity Lives

So yesterday I got everything up and running and set it up beside my existing computer so that I could install without having to give up access.  This is my first real foray into having an SSD, and from thumb drive…. windows 10 installed in about 2 minutes.  I was shocked at just how fast that whole process went… what I thought was going to be another screen asking for me to pick some options… ended up booting into windows.  For the time being I have Rift, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, and Final Fantasy XIV running off of the SSD and everything else off of larger mechanical storage.  The biggest shock with this system is just how well Rift is performing.  That is one of those games that I thought no system would really run what I considered well.  I rarely see more than 40 fps and my last AMD based processor struggled to give it even that.  This new system was running it at 80+ fps with everything cranked up, even under the load of doing intrepid adventures.  So far I am pleased as can be, and while the games I play most of the time are not extremely graphically intensive… they are however apparently CPU locked… and my AMD FX-6300 was simply not performing that well.  This was really noticeable when my laptops with mobile i7 processors started out performing it.  Then again that machine was roughly three years old at this point, so I was prime for an upgrade.  Tonight I plan on getting Adobe Creative Cloud installed because I want to see what this does for rendering time…. which is something that the previous machine struggled at.  For those wondering the final specs look a little something like this.

  • Intel Core i7-5820K
  • ASUS X99-A/USB 3.1
  • 24 GB G.SKILL Ripjaw ram
  • MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 980 4GB OC
  • 250 GB Kingston SSD
  • 2 TB Western Digital HD
  • 3 TB Western Digital HD

The only real thing that I ultimately want to change at some point is the case, which is a budget Antec model.  It was perfectly adequate, but was a bit of a pain in the ass to work on.  Much of the frustrations yesterday were trying to get the cables to go where I wanted them to go for cable management purposes.  I had to disconnect and reconnect things several times to try and figure out the best way to route the cables through the fairly cramped space.  Additionally I have slight concerns that there were minimal case fans, but for the time being everything is running fairly cool.  Ultimately I am going to leave things be for the time being and see how well it runs in its current state before fiddling further.  Basically in its current state I don’t really feel comfortable trying to overclock anything given that there really isn’t the cooling for it.  That said performance wise… I have seen no real reason to overclock anything other than the base overclock that the video card is used to running under.  Of note… to explain the title of the post I decided to name this machine Serenity, because I am a dork.

Serenity Lives

Serenity Lives

Yesterday was largely spent setting up a new machine, and with it comes the arbitrary logging in of various games to see how they perform on the new setup.  I should have said “new” in quotes because this system was absolutely another one of my craigslist wheeling and dealings.  Some time ago I saw a system that I was interested in, but I was simply not willing to pay what the guy was asking.  I made an offer, one significantly lower than he was wanting… but something in the range of what I would be comfortable with.  He initially sounded insulted but after a handful of texts went into the lengthy story of why he was parting with the machine.  It turns out he had just ordered all of the bits to assemble what he considered to be the ultimate gaming machine…  and then his wife got mad at him for doing it.  Firstly of note to any of my readers…. you should never purchase anything big without consulting your spouse first because you are just asking for trouble.  I told him that my offer was all that I was comfortable spending on that machine, and that the offer would stand.  Now we scan ahead roughly a month and a half, and I still have not purchased anything… and I receive a text out of the blue from the guy.  He apparently got no offers at all and was willing to drop down to my offer to move it quickly…  and by quickly I guess that means two months later?

The problem with me and a new machine is that I only really felt comfortable building it on Sunday after I finished up the podcast and made sure it was published.  That whole adage of the show must go on and such.  So I sat down a few weeks ago to get things built… only to realize that the power supply that he had in the machine was going to be completely inadequate.  I was swapping over the GeForce 980 that I had previously… which requires 2 8 pin power connectors.  The card he had in it was a r9 380 which required a single 8 pin power connector.  I can largely tell that he assembled this machine through PC Part Picker, and went with the bare minimum power supply the it said was compatible.  The end result was that the “ultimate gaming machine” had a Corsair 450 watt power supply in it, that I needed to upgrade into something that had dual 8 pin power connectors.  Being cheap like I am… I decided to just order something from Amazon rather than run out to Best Buy and pick something up that day.  Unfortunately the PSU that I ordered kept getting rescheduled…  over the course of two weeks…  finally updating from what was supposed to be a Friday delivery this week… to this coming Wednesday.  I gave up, cancelled that ordered and found something available in store local, the end result being a 750 watt corsair modular PSU which honestly was going to work better than the non-modular ketchup and mustard colored setup that I was trying to order on the cheap.

Serenity Lives

So yesterday I got everything up and running and set it up beside my existing computer so that I could install without having to give up access.  This is my first real foray into having an SSD, and from thumb drive…. windows 10 installed in about 2 minutes.  I was shocked at just how fast that whole process went… what I thought was going to be another screen asking for me to pick some options… ended up booting into windows.  For the time being I have Rift, World of Warcraft, Guild Wars 2, and Final Fantasy XIV running off of the SSD and everything else off of larger mechanical storage.  The biggest shock with this system is just how well Rift is performing.  That is one of those games that I thought no system would really run what I considered well.  I rarely see more than 40 fps and my last AMD based processor struggled to give it even that.  This new system was running it at 80+ fps with everything cranked up, even under the load of doing intrepid adventures.  So far I am pleased as can be, and while the games I play most of the time are not extremely graphically intensive… they are however apparently CPU locked… and my AMD FX-6300 was simply not performing that well.  This was really noticeable when my laptops with mobile i7 processors started out performing it.  Then again that machine was roughly three years old at this point, so I was prime for an upgrade.  Tonight I plan on getting Adobe Creative Cloud installed because I want to see what this does for rendering time…. which is something that the previous machine struggled at.  For those wondering the final specs look a little something like this.

  • Intel Core i7-5820K
  • ASUS X99-A/USB 3.1
  • 24 GB G.SKILL Ripjaw ram
  • MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 980 4GB OC
  • 250 GB Kingston SSD
  • 2 TB Western Digital HD
  • 3 TB Western Digital HD

The only real thing that I ultimately want to change at some point is the case, which is a budget Antec model.  It was perfectly adequate, but was a bit of a pain in the ass to work on.  Much of the frustrations yesterday were trying to get the cables to go where I wanted them to go for cable management purposes.  I had to disconnect and reconnect things several times to try and figure out the best way to route the cables through the fairly cramped space.  Additionally I have slight concerns that there were minimal case fans, but for the time being everything is running fairly cool.  Ultimately I am going to leave things be for the time being and see how well it runs in its current state before fiddling further.  Basically in its current state I don’t really feel comfortable trying to overclock anything given that there really isn’t the cooling for it.  That said performance wise… I have seen no real reason to overclock anything other than the base overclock that the video card is used to running under.  Of note… to explain the title of the post I decided to name this machine Serenity, because I am a dork.